Rick Wiles, pastor, radio host, and conspiracy theorist, believes that there is a secret stockpile of bullets hoarded under the Obama administration for the purpose of quelling an uprising. Now, he says, Donald Trump should put those two billion bullets to use in stopping the protests that are ongoing in Portland.
ChristoTaliban Rick Wiles
Wiles, appearing on a recent broadcast of his TruNews show, said:
Mr. [Mark] Meadows, please tell President Trump that he is now in possession of Obama bullets — 2 billion ‘Bama bullets. You’re in possession of them now. You got the ‘Bama bullets and you can put down the [insurrection] … you can put it down. You have the ‘Bama bullets in your hands.
You don’t have to tolerate this anymore. They were purchased for the purpose of putting down an insurrection. Well, you got one, so put the hollow-point bullets to good use and get out there and put down this communist revolution so the rest of us can live our lives peacefully.
Radical conspiracy theorist Rick Wiles tells Trump to take the billions of bullets that Obama supposedly stockpiled and put them “to good use” against protesters. pic.twitter.com/yESP8TriTy
Commenting on all that alleged ammunition, the TruNews show notes that “the federal army and arsenal at President Trump’s disposal to quell the insurrection,” exists because of “the billions of bullets Barack Hussein Obama hoarded to round up Christians and constitutionalists under a President Hillary Clinton.”
Wow. Can you feel the insanity?
Wiles is a popular but controversial conservative Christian leader prone to making outrageous and alarming claims. For example, before the 2018 midterm elections, Wiles warned his viewers that if Democrats won the election they would slaughter “tens of thousands of Christians.” Yet even though the Democrats did win the House in the midterm election, as of today, there have been no reports of Christians being slaughtered.
Right-wing conspiracy nut Rick Wiles is always preaching that liberals want to round up conservative activists and torture them. Perhaps he was just fantasizing because that’s exactly what he says Trump should do.
On Tuesday’s episode of his “TruNews” program, Wiles cheered Trump’s plan to use the military to quash nationwide protests over the police killing of George Floyd and called on Trump to use the military to take down liberal organizations, arrest their leaders, and send them to Guantanamo Bay to be tortured.
“We were concerned as conservatives that you’re going to have a far-left regime in power that is going to try to round up conservatives, confiscate guns, put people in detention centers, and so forth,” Wiles said. “You know what? This is turning out to be Haman’s gallows. What they planned for the church, for conservatives, for patriots, what they planned is going to be flipped around on them.”“There’s a Republican president in the White House right now who’s brought the military in,” he continued. “You know who’s going to get rounded up? The left, the communists, the people who are burning down the country. That’s who’s going to get rounded up. This thing has completely flipped on them.”
“I have to think that privately, last night, a lot of them are starting to become afraid,” Wiles said. “I’m talking about the leaders, the ones who know that their names are linked to these organizations, secretly linked, that their bank accounts, the flow of money, the meetings, the trail of emails, text messages, that if the federal government comes in and begins a serious investigation, it’s going to lead to some very powerful people. And the U.S. government is going to seize their bank accounts, seize their assets, and put some of these people in prison. That’s where this is going right now, if President Trump does not let up.”
So unlike his fantasies of persecution, he really does want to round people up and torture them.
A MESSAGE TO RICK WILES AND HIS KIND OF CHRISTOFASCIST TRUMPTURD SHITSTAINS ON THE UNDERWEAR OF HUMANITY.
You fascist little wanna be Hitler cocksucker for Trump. You degenerate piece of shit, hiding behind the Christian religion and Jesus to spread your fucking ChristoFascist ConservaCunt bullshit upon the rest of us?
Bitch Rick Wiles? I FUCKING CHALLENGE YOU TO MEET ME IN A RING SO I CAN SLOWLY BEAT YOUR FUCKING RACIST, GENERATIONAL INBRED, PIG FUCKING, CHRISTOFASCIST TRUMPTURD SHITSTAIN ASS ALL OVER THE RING. I WANT TO TAKE YOUR FUCKING PENCIL NECK AND JUST SLOWLY SNAP IT BETWEEN MY HANDS AS I WATCH YOUR FUCKING EYEBALLS POP OUT OF YOUR USELESS FUCKING SKULL AND YOUR TONGUE HANGS OUT. YOU LITTLE CHRISTOCUNT PUNK BITCH, WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? YOU ARE FUCKING LUCKY I AM NOT LIKE ONE OF YOUR FELLOW PSYCHO TRUMPTURDS CAUSE IF I WERE?
I WOULD SHOW THE FUCK UP ON THE FRONT STEPS OF YOUR RACIST, BIGOTED, HATE FILLED CHURCH OF EVIL AND PULL OUT A GUN UNDER MY 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT AND BLOW YOUR FUCKING USELESS, TREASONOUS HEAD OFF.
TOO BAD I AM NOT LIKE ONE OF YOUR FELLOW PSYCHO TRUMPTURDS HUH?
THESE RICK WILES, ARE YOUR FELLOW TRUMPTURD TERRORISTS, IF ANY SCUMBAG SHITSTAINS ON THE UNDERWEAR OF HUMANITY SHOULD BE ROUNDED UP AND TORTURED? IS YOURSELF AND THESE FUCKING CUNTS.
YES, RICK WILES, YOU PIECE OF SHIT, YOU FUCKING WASTE OF HUMAN SPACE, YOU SUB-HUMAN TROGLODYTE TREASONOUS CUNT. ALL OF YOU RICK, YOU, YOUR FELLOW CHRISTOTALIBANS LIKE FRANKLIN GRAHAM JR, JIM BAKKER AND OTHERS? AND ALL THESE TRUMPTURDS? ALONG WITH TRAITOR TRUMP AND ALL THE RUSSIAN REPUGNANT SCUMBAGS?
SHOULD BE ROUNDED UP AND BROUGHT TO GITMO, AND TORTURED, WATERBOARDED, BOUND AND TIED UP AND BLASTED WITH COLD WATER. AND THEN? GIVEN ONE LAST FUCKING HAPPY MEAN AND PUT UP AGAINST THE FUCKING WALL AND EXECUTED FOR COMMITTING HIGH TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.
SO FUCK YOU RICK WILES AND YOUR KIND AND IF YOU DO NOT LIKE MY WORDS AGAINST YOU? FUCK YOU AGAIN. CAUSE YOU HAVEN’T THE FUCKING BALLS LIKE TRUMP? TO COME AND MEET ME AND ATTEMPT TO MAKE GOOD ON YOUR CHRISTOFASCIST PUNK ASSED THREATS TO A REA LIBERALS FACE WHERE I WOULD RIP YOUR HEAD OFF, SHIT DOWN YOUR NECK, PUT YOUR FUCKING HEAD BACK ON AND THEN? FUCK YOU IN THE ASS.
SO BRING IT RICK WILES, FUCKING BRING IT YOU NAZI CHRISTOFASCIST CUNT.
I find it interesting. During the Clinton Impeachment Trial Graham and the other Republicans had no problem demanding witnesses and evidence be entered. Now? Under Trump? It is a flip-flop.
They say that the impeachment of Trump and the attempted “coup” of him by the Democrats was going against the will of the voters who elected Trump. Yet by Trump even being in the White House? That went against the will of the voters who actually elected Hillary Clinton by their vote. It was only the Electoral College that got Trump in.
In poll after poll, even Fox polls, the majority wanted Trump impeached and the majority also wanted Bolton and Mulvaney, and even Trump and Guiliani to testify as well as more evidence entered. But the Republicans went even against this.
And now they say, why yeah, what he did was wrong, what he did was not right, but hey, it did not rise to the level to where he should be removed from office. But heck, they wanted to have Bill Clinton removed for lying about getting a bj in the oval office.
Now they say that they will allow the voters to decide. REALLY? We did decide the last time and that got over-ruled. Moscow Mitch KNOWS that the electronic voting machines also need paper back up, and more security needs to be done with the not only voting machines, but voter rolls. Of course the Repugnants will do all they can to also suppress the vote through voter id laws and gerrymandering.
One of the reasons why Trump is so desperate to stay in power is? He knows once he walks out of that White House? He will be in handcuffs along with dear old Diaper Donnie Jr, Eric, Ivanka and many others. He knows that he is looking at facing a whole host of charges. So we know he will do all he can to stay where he is.
But the thing we really got to figure out is what hold is over the Republicans that they would actually, knowingly sell out this country to Traitor Trump, Putin and the Russians? There is more here than meets the eyes with McConnell, Cruz, Graham, and why Boehner and Ryan left. I believe there is more to the connection with Butina, the NRA and Russia and the donations to the Republicans than meets the eyes.
One thing is for sure. We got to get off our butts, get the kids off their butts and vote, go out and vote blue and get out all these Republicans who are standing behind and defending Trump and his actions. We got to get Trump out of office. Trouble is? Like Cohen says, even if he loses his re-election? He is not going to leave quietly. And he has his Right Wing Christos like Robert Jeffress, Franklin Graham, Jim Bakker, and Rick Wiles along with a whole lot of extremist, right wing, white supremacist supporters of Trump all who were calling for a Civil War if Trump was removed.
We are in for a whole lot of trouble and Putin and Russia, China and North Korea? Are all loving what is happening here because of Trump and the Republicans.
But we have to at least try to continue to abide by the law and the Constitution. So,
REGISTER TO VOTE, AND VOTE AS YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.
AND SADLY GET READY, BECAUSE THE PSYCHOPATHS OF TRUMP JUST MIGHT GET WHAT THEY WANT AND START A CIVIL WAR AND THEN? IT IS TIME FOR ALL OF US TO TRULY COME TOGETHER AND PUT THEM DOWN LIKE THE RABID DOGS THEY ARE.
Whether the Evangelicals and Christians currently supporting and defending Donald J Trump accepts, knows or believes this? They are not Christians. They are in fact? Christian In Name Only.
EVERYTHING TRUMP STANDS FOR OR HAS DONE? GOES DIRECTLY AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE, THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE TEACHINGS OF THE APOSTLES. HE IS IN FACT? THE FALSE PROPHET RIGHT WING EXTREMIST EVANGELICALS AND CHRISTIANS HAVE FORMERLY STATED THAT PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA WAS THE ANTICHRIST AND NOT A TRUE CHRISTIAN.
All a Christian has to do is? Open their bibles and read the following verses themselves and apply all of this to both, Donald J Trump and the Republicans, who all declare themselves Christians and followers of Jesus Christ, like Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Rick Perry, Rudy Guiliani, William Barr, Jim Jordan, and their synchopaths like Kellyanne Conway, Stephanie Grisham, and of course the liars and propaganda spinners of Fox News like Sean Hannity, Jeanine Pirro, Tomi Lahren, Geraldo Rivera, Brian Kilmeade, Bret Baier, Steve Doocy, Ainsley Earhardt, or such ChristoTaliban psychotic pastors like Robert Jeffress, Paula White, Jim Bakker, Franklin Graham, Rick Wiles, Mark Burns, many of these calling for “blood in the streets” and a new “Civil War 2.0” should Trump be removed from office, and all the rest of those who defend and support Trump and dare call themselves Christians? All really need to pick up their bibles and read the words in them.
But just in case they do not?
BIBLE VERSES THAT PROVES DONALD J TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS, ALONG WITH THESE SYNCHOPATHS OF TRUMP, ARE IN NO WAY? CHRISTIANS, BUT CHRISTIAN IN NAME ONLY AND THE REAL ANTI-CHRISTS
Matthew 7:15-23: 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Malachi 3:5 Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts.
Leviticus 19:33,34 : ‘When a stranger resides with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.’The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the LORD your God.
Jeremiah 22:3-5: Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place. For if you will indeed obey this word, then there shall enter the gates of this house kings who sit on the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, they and their servants and their people. But if you will not obey these words, I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that this house shall become a desolation.
1 Kings 8:41-43: “Likewise, when a foreigner, who is not of your people Israel, comes from a far country for your name’s sake (for they shall hear of your great name and your mighty hand, and of your outstretched arm), when he comes and prays toward this house, hear in heaven your dwelling place and do according to all for which the foreigner calls to you, in order that all the peoples of the earth may know your name and fear you, as do your people Israel, and that they may know that this house that I have built is called by your name.
Matthew 25: 35-40: 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Matthew 19: 16-30: 16 A man came to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to have eternal life?” 17 Jesus answered, “Why do you ask me about what is good? Only God is good. But if you want to have eternal life, obey the law’s commands.” 18 The man asked, “Which ones?” Jesus answered, “‘You must not murder anyone, you must not commit adultery, you must not steal, you must not tell lies about others, 19 you must respect your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor the same as you love yourself.’ 20 The young man said, “I have obeyed all these commands. What else do I need?” 21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, then go and sell all that you own. Give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and follow me!” 22 But when the young man heard Jesus tell him to give away his money, he was sad. He didn’t want to do this, because he was very rich. So he left. 23 Then Jesus said to his followers, “The truth is, it will be very hard for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom. 24 Yes, I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom.”
Matthew 22:36-40: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 7: 21-23: 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
CHRISTIAN PASTORS WHO GOT IT RIGHT ABOUT TRUMP AND DO NOT SUPPORT HIM NOR DEFEND HIS VILE ACTIONS.
Gary Dorrien, Professor of Religion, Columbia University and Theologian at the Union Theologian Seminary
Gary Dorrien, a professor of Religion at Columbia University and theologian at the Union Theological Seminary says that Trump’s speeches and actions don’t support the idea that Trump is as good of a Christian as he says.
“The basis of his campaign is morally repugnant. ‘You shall love the stranger’ is a bedrock principle of Hebrew Scripture (Deuteronomy 10:19 and Leviticus 19:34), which is expounded in Christian Scripture as “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Luke 10:27) and “Love your enemies” (Matthew 5:44), among many other similar injunctions in both Scriptural traditions,” Dorrien told ABC News.
Dorrien is also a member of the Presbyterian church, the same church to which Trump belongs, and notes how the Presbyterian faith in particular is known its “pro-hospitality policies.”
“I am not saying that Trump’s entire campaign is antithetical to the teaching of his church…But his appeals to racial and religious bigotry, his advocacy of torture, and everything else that he says along these lines are repugnant from a Christian standpoint or any minimally decent one,” he said.
Above quote from Meet the Pastors Who Support Donald Trump
Editors’ Note: The Christian Post has not taken a position on a political candidate before today. We are making an exception because Trump is exceptionally bad and claims to speak for and represent the interests of evangelicals.
We the senior editors of The Christian Post encourage our readers to back away from Donald Trump.
As the most popular evangelical news website in the United States and the world, we feel compelled by our moral responsibility to our readers to make clear that Donald Trump does not represent the interests of evangelicals and would be a dangerous leader for our country.
Trump claims to be a Christian, yet says he has never asked for forgiveness.
While God, in His wondrous creativity, has drawn people to Himself through the saving grace of Jesus Christ in many different ways, there are certain non-negotiable actions needed to become a Christian: One must repent of their sins and follow Christ as Lord and Savior. Trump doesn’t talk this way, even when urged to.
Further, his words and actions do not demonstrate the “fruit of the spirit.”
Trump is a misogynist and philanderer. He demeans women and minorities. His preferred forms of communication are insults, obscenities and untruths. While Christians have been guilty of all of these, we, unlike Trump, acknowledge our sins, ask for forgiveness and seek restitution with the aid of the Holy Spirit and our community of believers.
On Sunday, Trump’s apparent reluctance to disavow David Duke until late in the day was extremely distasteful. The Ku Klux Klan is an evil, unholy movement representing the worst of America. Anyone who will not immediately denounce their support is unfit to be president.
Trump claims he will “protect Christians.” We already have a Protector, and He is not Trump.
The grievances of Trump’s supporters are legitimate. Politicians for too long have promised to represent the best interests of all Americans before an election, only to represent the interest of their cronies after the election. But Trump’s followers are being fooled into believing that he can help them.
Trump is promising many things that he cannot possibly deliver, but the most frightening part is Trump’s stated willingness to ignore the authority of the Supreme Court, Congress and the U.S. Constitution if he were to become president.
Trump has been surrounded by controversy for decades because of his untruthfulness, questionable business practices, reported association with organized crime, and abrupt changes in fundamental positions. Many of these controversies involve defrauding the working class and decisions that compromised American workers. He has taken a political position both pro and con on virtually every subject and major political party. This should give evangelicals great pause and concern about supporting such a mercurial and chameleon-like candidate. Past performance is the best predictor of future behavior.
Trump said he wants to make it easier to sue newspapers that criticize him. When it was pointed out to him Sunday that he would have to amend the Constitution’s freedom of speech and freedom of press clauses, Trump was unmoved, simply noting that England has weaker protections for the press.
We are already concerned about the expansion of executive power to dangerous and unconstitutional extremes in the current and previous administrations. Plus, in just the past year we have seen Christians put out of business and jailed for living according to the dictates of their faith.
Trump, an admirer of Vladimir Putin and other dictatorial leaders, may claim to be your friend and protector now, but as his history indicates, without your full support he will turn on you, and use whatever power is within his means to punish you.
This is a critical time in American history and we call on all Christians to pray for personal repentance, divine forgiveness and spiritual awakening for our nation. It is not the time for Donald Trump.
Donald Trump Supporters: You’re Being Duped!
By Michael Brown, CP Op-Ed Contributor Michael Brown holds a Ph.D. in Near Eastern Languages and Literatures from New York University and has served as a professor at a number of seminaries. He is the author of 25 books and hosts the nationally syndicated, daily talk radio show, the Line of Fire.
The issue is whether he can be trusted and whether we even know what his real positions are.
So I ask you, if you are a Trump supporter, with all respect for your zeal and with affirmation of your frustration with status-quo politics, how can you know what Trump really believes or what he will actually do if elected?
He changes his views from one day to the next — sometimes diametrically — and flatly contradicts his previous positions, then insults and mocks those who challenge him, often in the most puerile ways. No other candidate in memory — perhaps in our nation’s history — has vacillated so wildly and dramatically in such a short period of time.
The leading Republican candidate to be the next leader of the free world would not pass my decency interview. I’d send him away. I’d tell my daughter to stay home. I wouldn’t entrust her to his care.
I don’t know Mr. Trump. But I’ve been chagrined at his antics. He ridiculed a war hero. He made a mockery of a reporter’s menstrual cycle. He made fun of a disabled reporter. He referred to the former first lady, Barbara Bush as “mommy,” and belittled Jeb Bush for bringing her on the campaign trail. He routinely calls people “stupid,” and “dummy.”1 One writer catalogued sixty-four occasions that he called someone “loser.”2 These were not off-line, backstage, overheard, not-to-be-repeated comments. They were publicly and intentionally tweeted, recorded, and presented.
Such insensitivities wouldn’t be acceptable even for a middle school student body election. But for the Oval Office? And to do so while brandishing a Bible and boasting of his Christian faith?
I would not have said anything about Mr. Trump, never — I would never have said anything if he didn’t call himself a Christian. It’d be none of my business whatsoever to make any comments about his language, his vulgarities, his slander of people, but I was deeply troubled … that here’s a man who holds up a Bible one day, and calls a lady “bimbo” the next. Here’s a man who calls himself a Christian and yet just has the audacity to make fun of a lady’s menstrual cycle. … He didn’t just do this on occasion, but repeatedly, unrepentantly. Somebody sent me a list of 64 people he’s called loser. Just this week it’s continued. …
It deeply concerns me that somebody who knows little or nothing about the Christian faith would hear Mr. Trump call himself a Christian and then make a decision based on the Christian faith, based on his behavior. And so I just felt like I should say something. I did not expect to stir up the dust storm that this blog has stirred up.
many people have said, “This is what I was thinking, thanks for saying it on my behalf.” But there are many people who were just really ticked off that I would dare to suggest that this behavior is inappropriate.
This post was updated on Oct. 11 and again on Nov. 7, 2016, to add the names of several more prominent figures who have come out against voting for the Republican candidate.
(RNS) Donald Trump may have met with hundreds of conservative Christian leaders, mostly evangelicals, in New York on Tuesday, June 21, but not all Christians have lined up behind him.
Johnnie Moore — national spokesperson for My Faith Votes, one of the groups that organized the meeting — said beforehand he had seen “a real consolidation of evangelical support” for the GOP presumptive presidential candidate.
But here are several Christian leaders who have made less-than-enthusiastic statements about the businessman-turned-reality TV star-turned candidate.
Trump’s retort on Twitter called Moore “a terrible representative of Evangelicals and all of the good they stand for. A nasty guy with no heart!”
Moore has since changed the bio on his Twitter profile to reflect the jab: “terrible representative of evangelical Christianity, due to nastiness.”
2. Denny Burk
A professor of biblical studies at Boyce College, Denny Burk blogged in March that though Trump has said he would appoint conservative Supreme Court justices, it was unclear what kind of justices he actually would choose; he does not seem to understand the pro-life position; and his statements supporting torture present a “real threat to our constitutional order.”
“I am not joking or being hyperbolic when I say that he is a Mussolini-in-waiting,” Burk wrote. “He must never be allowed near the Oval Office. Ever.”
3. Max Lucado
In a February blog post titled “Decency for President” that he later expanded for The Washington Post, Oak Hills Church pastor and popular Christian author Max Lucado said Trump wouldn’t pass the “decency interview” he required for his three daughters’ dates.
Lucado wrote: “I’m a pastor. I don’t endorse candidates or place bumper stickers on my car. But I am protective of the Christian faith. If a public personality calls on Christ one day and calls someone a “bimbo” the next, is something not awry? And to do so, not once, but repeatedly? Unrepentantly? Unapologetically? Can we not expect a tone that would set a good example for our children? We stand against bullying in schools. Shouldn’t we do the same in presidential politics?”
4. Thabiti Anyabwile
The pastor of Anacostia River Church and council member of The Gospel Coalition has called Trump a racist and many of the positions both Trump and Clinton have taken “evil.”
“Donald Trump has had no ‘road to Damascus’ conversion. He only wants to date the preacher’s daughter,” Erickson wrote.
6. Robert P. George
Warren Throckmorton posted a statement Monday (June 20) on his Patheos blog from Robby George, McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton University, who declined to attend Tuesday’s meeting. George is Catholic.
George’s statement read in part: “I have been a severe critic of Mr. Trump and there is nothing he could say at a meeting in which he is courting conservatives that would alter my low opinion of him. I trust that I do not need to go into detail about the words and actions that have caused me to form that opinion. Perhaps the only politician in America of whom I have an even lower opinion is Hillary Clinton, so I certainly understand why some are urging us to hold our noses and support for Mr. Trump. But I fear that he will, in the end, bring disgrace upon those individuals and organizations who publicly embrace him.”
Earlier that month, he tweeted, “Good people, reject (Clinton) but don’t associate yourself with Trump. He will disgrace & taint all who snuggle up to him.”
7. Alan Noble
“For conservative evangelicals like me, the 2016 election really is a choice between two evils,” said Alan Noble, editor of the website Christ and Pop Culture, in a June article in Vox.
In his post, in which he advised evangelicals to abstain from voting for president and focus instead on congressional and local and state elections, Noble wrote that voting for Trump would undermine “decades of the religious right’s insistence that character matters in politicians.”
He called the candidate “a deceptive, infantile, racist demagogue with no political principles aside from his own self-interest.”
He also pointed out Trump’s comments that he does not ask for forgiveness, saying, “Any man who is so unaware of his own depravity that he cannot recognize his need for forgiveness is incapable of justly leading any country.
“There simply is no way around this fact for evangelicals.”
8. Eric Teetsel
Winning the award for most prophetic rebuke of Trump is Marco Rubio’s former faith outreach director, Eric Teetsel.
Teetsel stood outside the Republican nominee’s June meeting with conservative Christian leaders in New York, protesting with a handwritten poster board: “Torture is not pro-life. Racism is not pro-life. Misogyny is not pro-life. Murdering the children of terrorists is not pro-life. Proverbs 29:2.”
That’s because, he told Yahoo! News, “I think we know enough about Donald Trump to know that a Christian response should be prayer for him, but also a prophetic witness about what is true.”
9. Owen Strachan
“We … boggle at how some Christians and conservatives still defend Donald Trump,” Owen Strachan wrote in a post for the Center for Public Theology at Midwestern Seminary, where he is associate professor of Christian theology and director of the Center for Theological and Cultural Engagement.
That post came after the release of the 2005 recording. But it’s a case the president of the Council of Biblical Manhood and Womanhood has made against Trump in several previous posts.
Remarks describing attempted affairs and assaults on women like the ones Trump was caught making on a live mic during a recording of “Access Hollywood” must be condemned and spoken against, Strachan said. And enthusiastic support for a man whose left a string of broken homes behind him could put evangelicals “in grave danger of hypocrisy,” he added.
That left him wondering in August if, “in our efforts to engage our country politically, we have become more Machiavellian and less Pauline.”
“In other words, we’re willing to do almost anything to elect officials, preserve rights, and gain seats on the Supreme Court,” he said.
10. Matthew Lee Anderson
“There is no world in which I would vote for Bernie Sanders. But I would consider it before I would ever consider voting for Donald Trump,” Matthew Lee Anderson wrote in February for Mere Orthodoxy.
Anderson looks back on the sentiment as “almost endearing” now, he wrote on Oct. 6.
To him, it seems evangelicals are despairing and will vote for anybody who isn’t Clinton. But he, at least, hopes that won’t be for Trump. (He instead has suggested Evan McMullin, the former chief policy director for the House Republican Conference in the U.S. House of Representatives and a former CIA operations officer.)
“The story on November 9th could be that the constituency which claims the gospel as its leading identifier finally became fed up with Trump’s antics and opted to vote for a third party instead,” he said.
11. Trillia Newbell
Trillia Newbell, director of community outreach for the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission for the Southern Baptist Convention, said she cried when a loved one shared he or she was supporting Trump for president. And those don’t appear to have been tears of joy.
“Actually in tears after seeing someone I love post that they are voting for Trump. I can take the Christian celebrities but friends are hard,” Newbell tweeted.
Both David French and his wife Nancy French have been outspoken in their opposition to Trump — and it’s cost them.
David French, senior fellow at the National Review Institute, has written about the online abuse he and his wife have received from Trump supporters, including “psyche-scarring” images left in comments or sent to them on social media. And bestselling author Nancy French has written about how Trump’s defenders on the religious right bring flashbacks of her own sexual assault.
But David French wrote, “Ideas matter, and supporting Trump means advancing ideas I find not just wrong, but destructive.”
“I’ve defended the unborn my entire career; he praises Planned Parenthood. I believe that marriage is a sacred covenant between husband and wife; he’s a serial adulterer. I believe America should lead the world in defense not just of its territorial integrity but also of civilization itself; he would retreat into glorified isolationism. I believe that free trade has made America more prosperous and enriched the lives of its citizens; he threatens to start ruinous economic conflicts. I believe that a core American value is that we can and must judge our citizens by the content of their character, not the color of their skin or their families’ roots; he attacks a federal judge because of his parents’ Mexican heritage.”
13. Albert Mohler
R. Albert Mohler Jr. called it a “crisis of conscience” for evangelicals. Or, more specifically, him: “The immediate and excruciating crisis has a name — Donald Trump,” Mohler wrote in the Washington Post.
The president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville joined his fellow Southern Baptists Russell Moore and Trillia Newbell in calling on evangelical Christians to distance themselves from the Republican candidate after the “Trump tape” release. And yet, he said, those tapes didn’t reveal anything about Trump that wasn’t already clear.
“Married three times, flaunting Christian sexual mores, building his fortune and his persona on the Playboy lifestyle, under any normal circumstances Trump would be the realization of evangelical nightmares, not the carrier of evangelical hopes,” Mohler said.
14. Deborah Fikes
Deborah Fikes not only doesn’t support Trump, she has thrown her support behind his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.
Fikes, a former executive adviser of the World Evangelical Alliance, wrote in the New York Times that it was the first time she’d felt compelled to reject evangelicalism’s “unquestioned political alignment with the G.O.P.” In her work with Christians around the world, though, she came to realize their “pro-life” and “pro-family” views didn’t look much like Trump’s — or the Republican party’s.
In fact, she said, “Evangelicals from all regions, but particularly in Africa, consider Hillary Clinton a ‘sister in Christ’ and someone who lives out the Golden Rule in all the good she has done for women and children. Many affectionately call her ‘Sister Hillary.'”
OTHER CHRISTIAN PASTORS AND TRUE CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST TRUMP
Senior Fellow, Ethics and Public Policy Center
We need best commander in chief possible. In Trump we’d get the worst. There’s no turning this frog into a prince. https://t.co/UdnmHRQFX3— Peter Wehner (@Peter_Wehner) June 29, 2016
Peter Wehner, a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, has lashed out at Trump and the values he represents in numerous essays for The New York Times. He compares Trump’s approach to morality to the one held by the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, which prioritizes strength and power over care for the poor and powerless. Trump’s contempt for the weak, his bullying nature, and lack of compassion and empathy form a worldview that Wehner believes is “incompatible with Christianity.”
The calling of Christians is to be ‘salt and light’ to the world, to model a philosophy that defends human dignity, and to welcome the stranger in our midst. It is to stand for justice, dispense grace and be agents of reconciliation in a broken world. And it is to take seriously the words of the prophet Micah, ‘And what does the Lord require of you but to do justly, and to love kindness and mercy, and to humble yourself and walk humbly with your God?’
Evangelical Christians who are enthusiastically supporting Donald Trump are signaling, even if unintentionally, that this calling has no place in politics and that Christians bring nothing distinctive to it — that their past moral proclamations were all for show and that power is the name of the game.
Rep. Reid Ribble has refused to budge on Trump throughout this election cycle. The congressman accused the candidate of being a “racist” after Trump’s disparaging remarks toward a judge of Mexican heritage. Ribble told CNN that he is considering voting for the Libertarian Party this November.
In an op-ed for Christian Post, Ribble wrote: “The Evangelical community’s values include repentance, forbearance, uprightness, and the value of a hard day’s work. With that in mind, I am dismayed by the excitement I have seen from parts of the Evangelical community over Donald Trump’s campaign for president. In his personal life, his often-changing political beliefs, and especially his language, he totally disregards the values that we hold dear.”
President Jimmy Carter, the first U.S. president to call himself a born-again Christian, has said that Trump violated “basic human rights” with his comments about Mexican immigrants and his call to ban Muslims from entering the country.
In an interview with The New York Times, Carter said that Trump’s campaign has “tapped a waiting reservoir there of inherent racism.”
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Jim Wallis is a Christian writer and activist who has been critical of both Trump and of his evangelical supporters. In blogs for The Huffington Post, Wallis has claimed that Trump’s rise to dominance in the race has brought to light the racism that is still troubling this country.
“White evangelicals should have to explain, on the basis of their biblical faith … how they can feel comfortable with Trump’s proposed policies of rounding up, deporting, and destroying the families of 11 million immigrants; killing the families of terrorists; restricting the religious liberty of Muslim citizens; banning Muslim refugees; and appealing to the worst and most dangerous instincts of white Americans,” Wallis wrote. “It’s time to put ‘evangelical’ ahead of ‘white’ and to revisit Galatians 3:28, ‘There is no Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female; for we are all one in Christ Jesus.’”
Ex-evangelical pastor says supporting Trump has been ‘damaging’ to church
Former megachurch pastor and evangelical author Joshua Harris said in a recent interview that he believes some of the massive support President Trump has enjoyed from the evangelical community has been “incredibly damaging to the Gospel and to the church.”
Harris, an influential evangelical teacher and writer during the late 1990s and up until he announced he’d abandoned his faith earlier this year, added that having “a leader like Trump I think is in itself part of the indictment” of Christians.
Evangelicals have been staunch supporters of Trump since his 2016 election, with his job approval higher than average among white evangelical Christians throughout the three years of his presidency, according to Pew Research Center data. In a poll earlier this fall conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, about 77 percent of evangelicals approve of the president’s job performance, compared to an average 43 percent in other polls.
“I don’t think it’s going to end well,” Harris said in a clip of an interview on “Axios on HBO” released Monday.
“And I think, you know, you look back at the Old Testament and the relationship between the prophets and really bad leaders and kings, and oftentimes it was, it’s not something you unwind because it’s, it’s actually in the scriptures presented as God’s judgment on the False Religion of the day,” Harris said.
“You think Christians today who are embracing President Trump are due for a judgment?” Allen asked.
“I think it is the judgment,” Harris responded. “I think it is part of the judgment.”
“What do you mean by that?” Allen asked.
“To have a leader like Trump I think is in itself part of the indictment, that this is the leader that you want and maybe deserve,” Harris answered. “That represents a lot of who you are.”
Harris, who served as the senior pastor at the Covenant Life megachurch Gaithersburg, Md., for more than a decade before resigning from his post in 2015 amid controversy over the church’s handling of a child sexual abuse scandal, rose to prominence shortly after the 1997 publication of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye” at age 21. The book was once highly influential to evangelical youth group teaching.
Despite the book’s huge success in the ’90s, Harris raised eyebrows last year after he said he “no longer” agreed “with its central idea that dating should be avoided” after reevaluating the book.
“There are other weaknesses too: in an effort to set a high standard, the book emphasized practices (not dating, not kissing before marriage) and concepts (giving your heart away) that are not in the Bible,” he continued. “In trying to warn people of the potential pitfalls of dating, it instilled fear for some—fear of making mistakes or having their heart broken.”
“The book also gave some the impression that a certain methodology of relationships would deliver a happy ever-after ending—a great marriage, a great sex life—even though this is not promised by scripture,” he also wrote before announcing his decision to discontinue the book’s publication in the statement.
Harris also captured headlines earlier this year after announced he was no longer a Christian.
In an Instagram post from July, Harris wrote that he has “undergone a massive shift in regard to my faith in Jesus.”
“The popular phrase for this is ‘deconstruction, the biblical phrase is ‘falling away.’ By all the measurements that I have for defining a Christian, I am not a Christian,” he wrote then. “Many people tell me that there is a different way to practice faith and I want to remain open to this, but I’m not there now.”
Evangelical women helped Trump get elected. Now some of them are turning against him and his candidates – and could sway the outcome in key elections in November.
Rebecca Olsen, 21, a Southern Baptist who dresses conservatively in classic-red lipstick and black, ballet-style flats, was “gung-ho” for Trump in 2016.
She had concerns about the way he treated women, she says, but she brushed them aside.
“At the time I let a lot of things slip,” she says. “And upon the past two years of reflection, I regret being so much in favour of him.”
Since then the treatment of women has become a core issue for her and for others across the US. The MeToo movement brought the subject of sexual harassment onto centre stage last year, with a similar phenomenon, the ChurchToo movement, unfolding within the Southern Baptist community.
The hearing of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh opened up wrenching discussions about sexual assault.
A life-long Republican who was raised in Atlanta, Olsen says she has turned against the president and his endorsement of candidates are a mark against them.
“I think we should be doing our best to empower women,” she says, explaining why she’s disillusioned with Trump. “I think the president should be doing that as well.”
She describes the demeaning way that he talks about women and says: “I question myself: ‘Rebecca, how could you be so in favour of this man?'”
Her disappointment with the president and her rejection of his candidates is even more striking because of the backdrop.
She’s standing outside a restaurant that’s filled with her classmates from Liberty University, the nation’s biggest evangelical college, in Lynchburg, a town known as the “buckle in the bible belt”.
As a Trump critic, Olsen’s in the minority. Students here voted overwhelmingly for Trump and are campaigning for his candidates, a roster that includes Corey Stewart, a Republican who’s campaigning for the US senate in Virginia and is, as the New York Times reports, supported by white nationalists.
Liberty University is run by Jerry Falwell Jr, the son of the nation’s most famous evangelical. Falwell brags about his friendship with the president and lauds his accomplishments in office, telling me: “He’s done more for evangelicals than any previous Republican administration.”
But despite the massive support for Trump in Lynchburg, Olsen’s not alone in her views.
Another student, Rebecca Pickard, shows me around the university on a Saturday afternoon, pointing to a Noah’s Ark in a children’s play area, and says that even in this conservative Christian world, it’s OK to reject the president.
“It’s not something I feel self-conscious about,” she says.
Olsen and Pickard belong to a tiny sliver of this Christian world – white evangelical women who do not like Trump. But their numbers are growing incrementally.
Support for the president among women in their demographic group dropped from 73% to 67% from 2017 to 2018, according to Pew Research Center (in data they have yet to publish). Support for the president among white evangelical men dropped too, from 84-79%.
The decline in the president’s approval ratings among evangelical women is not huge, yet many of these women are determined to express their views at the ballot box.
They don’t want to vote for Trump candidates in states like Virginia, Georgia and Texas, they say. Although small in numbers, these women could change the outcome in congressional districts where candidates are running neck and neck.
Evangelical women have already thrown out one of their leaders, Paige Patterson, the former head of the Southern Baptist Convention, because of the demeaning way he spoke about women.
Olsen says that she won’t support a Trump-endorsed gubernatorial candidate, Brian Kemp, in Georgia. In Texas, some white evangelical women are supporting Beto O’Rourke, a Democrat, according to the New York Times, rather than Senator Ted Cruz, a Republican with a strong evangelical following.
These evangelicals – and their dismay over the way that the president treats women – reflect a broader trend. “A majority of Americans feel that Trump doesn’t respect women,” says GBA Strategies’ Margie Omero, a Democratic pollster.
Some pollsters like FiveThirtyEight have identified a huge gender gap between women largely voting for Democratic candidates and men supporting Republicans. So evangelicals are reflecting a wider trend but it’s surprising because as a group they so strongly backed Trump in the past.
“I’m amazed and heartened to see evangelical women tackle this,” says Jennifer Butler, who grew up in an evangelical family in Georgia and now heads up an organisation called Faith in Public Life.
Republicans say they’re unconcerned, pointing out that the vast majority of white evangelical women still support the president and will choose his candidates in November.
Olsen’s twin sister, Rachel, is one of them – she doesn’t like Kemp, she tells me, but she’ll “begrudgingly” vote for him, explaining: “I don’t want the state to turn blue.”
One of the biggest mysteries of the 2016 election was that evangelical women helped to usher Trump into office despite the fact that he seldom goes to church and used to live a life some might say was contrary to Christian values.
Before the election, they knew that he’d said vulgar things about women in an Access Hollywood tape and that he’d been married three times. More recently they heard him refer to a woman as “horseface”.
Heather Quintero, a math teacher who grew up in Lynchburg, acknowledges that it must be hard for some people to understand why female evangelicals would support Trump, given the way that he treats women.
She draws on her own experience as an evangelical Christian to help unravel the mystery. As a child, she says, she was taught church lessons such as: “My body does not belong to me.”
It “belonged first of all to my father”, she says. “When I was married, it would be given to my husband.”
Looking back, she sees a connection between these teachings and the support that female evangelicals have shown for Trump.
Evangelical women support Trump “because it’s what we’ve been socialised to do”, says Quintero – this means “placing your own well-being below the idea of stopping abortion”.
Many don’t like the way the president talks about women but support his conservative policies, she says.
Paula White, the president’s spiritual adviser, spoke to me recently near the White House about women’s issues and conservative politics.
She sympathises with the women who were disturbed by the Supreme Court hearing since she herself was “sexually and physically abused”.
She says: “I understand that pain.” Yet she applauds the appointment of Brett Kavanaugh, a Catholic who’s seen as “pro-life”.
She and other Christians applaud Trump and the vice-president, Mike Pence, both of whom are rock stars on the evangelical circuit.
One of their fans is Laurel Bryant, a college student from Amherst, a town near Lynchburg. I saw recently her in a Washington hotel during a “Values Voter” summit after she’d met Pence. “I’m shaking like a Chihuahua,” she says, describing her excitement.
Bryant says she hopes that Christian women will stay away from “feminist ideology” and recognise the importance of “compromise” – that means voting for candidates who may be flawed but who are fighting against abortion.
For Bryant and many evangelicals, that’s the key issue and seen through this light, the way the president treats women becomes less important.
But just as some evangelical women have expressed their unhappiness with the president, so have some men. Writing in USA Today, a Minneapolis pastor, Doug Pagitt, describes evangelicals: “Their insistence on walking in lockstep with the Republican Party often is primarily motivated by a single issue: abortion.”
Karen Swallow Prior, a Southern Baptist and an English professor at Liberty University, brought me into the world of evangelical women one autumn afternoon in a Main Street coffeehouse.
Prior is the author of a book entitled On Reading Well: Finding the Good Life through Great Books, and she introduces me to her friends, “Lynchburg Liberals” as she calls them.
These women range in age from 20 to post-retirement, and most are affiliated with the university. They’d be seen as conservatives in US cities because of their hardline stance on abortion but are viewed as progressives in Christian country because of the way they talk about gender issues and because they oppose the president.
They sat around a wooden table with lovers’ initials and a universal Christian symbol, the cross, carved into its surface. Outside the café, a student plays on a piano a “worship song” that he wrote himself.
Pickard’s grandfather gave her a Winchester rifle when she was in middle school, she tells me, and she grew up listening to Sean Hannity on her dad’s car radio.
Despite her conservative upbringing, she’s planning to vote for a Democrat, Tim Kaine, a Virginia senatorial candidate, instead of Stewart. “I’d like to vote for someone who won’t embarrass us,” Pickard says. Quintero says she’s also voting for Kaine.
Others baulk at voting for Democrats – but refuse to support the president’s candidates. Prior now tells me that she’ll vote for a libertarian. Another woman says she’ll write in Mickey Mouse, only half-joking.
Democrats have an edge in November’s elections, according to polls, but a key factor will be turnout.
“This is going to be so close,” White says. Ultimately the fate of the president, the US congress and state-level leaders could turn on a small number of votes cast by evangelical women.
On that day at the restaurant, Olsen says she doesn’t see herself as a radical.
Still she concedes that her decision to write in a name on a ballot rather than vote for Trump’s candidate is “a protest in some way”.
IN CLOSING: A WARNING TO CHRISTIANS WHO DEFEND DONALD J TRUMP
Malachi 3:5: “Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts.
President Donald Trump shared a warning from Pastor Robert Jeffress on Fox News of a new “civil war-like fracture” if Democrats removed him from office. Pastor Robert Jeffress said:
Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats can’t put down the Impeachment match. They know they couldn’t beat him in 2016 against Hillary Clinton, and they’re increasingly aware of the fact that they won’t win against him in 2020, and Impeachment is the only tool they have to get rid of Donald J. Trump – And the Democrats don’t care if they burn down and destroy this nation in the process. I have never seen the Evangelical Christians more angry over any issue than this attempt to illegitimately remove this President from office, overturn the 2016 Election, and negate the votes of millions of Evangelicals in the process. They know the only Impeachable offense that President Trump has committed was beating Hillary Clinton in 2016. That’s the unpardonable sin for which the Democrats will never forgive him. If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal.
Jeffress’ warning sparked trends on Twitter on Monday, with the hashtag #CivilWar2 and #CivilWarSignup as some news outlets falsely accused the president himself of predicting a new civil war. Others on Twitter accused Trump of trying to incite a new civil war:
“Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats can’t put down the Impeachment match. They know they couldn’t beat him in 2016 against Hillary Clinton, and they’re increasingly aware of the fact that they won’t win against him in 2020, and Impeachment is the only tool they have to get….— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2019
….rid of Donald J. Trump – And the Democrats don’t care if they burn down and destroy this nation in the process. I have never seen the Evangelical Christians more angry over any issue than this attempt to illegitimately remove this President from office, overturn the 2016….— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2019
….Election, and negate the votes of millions of Evangelicals in the process. They know the only Impeachable offense that President Trump has committed was beating Hillary Clinton in 2016. That’s the unpardonable sin for which the Democrats will never forgive him…..— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2019
….If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal.” Pastor Robert Jeffress, @FoxNews— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2019
So here we have a website, full of psychotic Treasonous Trumpsters, calling for the mass murder of their fellow US citizens in defense of this scumbag piece of shit Donald J Trump. Here are some highlights from the comment section of this story, along with the psychopaths name who posted the comment and their link to their Disqus profile:
I agree! From what I am hearing that is exactly what will happen…of which I would gladly participate to protect this nation from the enemy within (the Democrat Party). They are the most vile, evil bunch I have ever seen. Our Lord would not approve of their agenda…..they only care about their pockets being filled with tax payer money! For the sake of our grandchildren and great-grandchildren we need to weed out the bad seeds of government and get back to the Constitutional freedom and rights we have been blessed with from the start of this nation. We are a nation “UNDER GOD” which the Dems would rather not have. Well, I would rather not have THEM lead us! So grateful for this President and his stand for our religious freedom and encouraging walking in our faith. TRUMP/PENCE 2020!!!
Well Buttercup you better listen hard and long to the Civil War rehtoric because Demonrats keep it up and soon there will be no more of them on the planet. We Americans are SICK of these Comie Rats destroying our country
This wouldn’t be pretty folks. Those who haven’t been there have no idea. But I pass this on to congress. Having fake hearings and even impeachment doesn’t cover your butt. All of you who are screaming “bad president” had best rethink this thing. Once it starts it can’t be stopped. And I predict when it starts it will start with the sleazeballs in Washington DC. Even most of the military, active and retired, are against this sleaze. So if you think the military will be there to protect you are seriously mistaken.
The problem arises due to the fact that the democrats don’t listen to what the people are saying they just do whatever it is they want to do. Unfortunately for them it has already been stated by several military special forces veterans including a retired navy seal that if the democrats try to remove our president by any illegal or unconstitutional means there will be a retaliation and they will hunt them down and eliminate their threat. Now the dems due to their ignorance will be facing an armed populace of about 100,000,000 Americans in a fight they won’t win and it would serve them right because we all know what happens when you sell your soul to the devil. The dems are all demons anyway you can see it in their eyes and the only reason they want trump out of office is because they don’t want the 8 plus years of corruption to be exposed. They know they are all going to swing whether it be by trump or by we the people. God bless us all and God bless America
And I for one agree. While I sure do not like the idea of a war since I have children, but with Democrats around I am not sure what type of life they will have if people like Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer, Nadler, Occasional-Cortex, Omar, Tlaib, Pressley, Jayapal, Hirono, ANY Clinton, Biden, Obama and ANY and ALL Democrats and their constituents are in charge. F Democrats. I just want to know how will we know who sides with whom? I do know, any Antifa member wearing a mask should get the first shots.
Rick Wiles: There Will Be “Violence in America” If Donald Trump Is Impeached
On his “TruNews” broadcast Wednesday, conspiracy theorist and anti-SemiteRick Wiles warned that Donald Trump‘s impeachment would be met with violence.
Wiles, who said in August that he needed $100 million to launch a global media platform and claimed just this month that Hillary Clinton looks good because she’s drinking a lot of blood, now says that Trump supporters who “know how to fight” will hunt down Democratic lawmakers and kill them if their Savior is impeached.
“If they take him out, there is going to be violence in America,”he said. “There are people in this country — veterans, cowboys, mountain men, guys that know how to fight — and they’re going to make a decision that the people that did this to Donald Trump are not going to get away with this and they’re going to hunt them down.”
Apparently those people will do anything to defend a racist misogynist who rains hell on immigrants, sabotages health care for Americans, and allows refugees to die. All because of Jesus.
“I’m serious,” he said. “If these people in Washington think that they are going to get away with it, it’s not going to happen. The Trump supporters are going to hunt them down. It’s going to happen and this country is going to be plunged into darkness and they brought it upon themselves because they won’t back off.”
So if the investigation of Trump’s illegal actions leads to any kind of punishment, then law-and-order Trump supporters will responds with… acts of violence? It’s not exactly a sign of sanity when your response to an investigation is to violently rebel. And yet Wiles says it’s Democrats who have “waged war” on Trump voters, so naturally, those voters have to respond with weapons.
“They are going to go on a rampage and you’re not going to be able to put it back in the bottle,” Wiles said.
“Once the blood starts flowing, it’s nearly impossible to stop,” added co-host Edward Szall.
Perhaps these guys need to be investigated, not the members of Congress asking questions to understand what Trump did behind closed doors.
Franklin Graham Threatens America With Civil War If Trump Is Impeached
Graham told The Christian Post: I think what is going on in Washington has something to do with [my call to prayer]. It has bothered me and it has been a burden on my heart because this president is being attacked more than any president in modern history; attacked by the press more than Abraham Lincoln.
So he is the president of the United States. You had two years of investigation that came up with nothing. Now the media and his opponents in Washington are doing everything they can to destroy him. What we need to remember is that he is the president. That doesn’t mean that he is a perfect person. He is flawed like all of us. He has made plenty of mistakes but he is the leader of this nation. We have got huge problems in front of us.
If the president was brought down for whatever reason, it could lead to a civil war. There are millions of people out there that voted for President Trump that are behind him that are angry and they are mad. We are just living in a very dangerous territory, and we need God’s help.
Franklin Graham denies endorsing Donald Trump, but he pulled out of the far-right’s favorite threats. In hiding behind the Bible mob style Graham warned that if anything happens to Trump the country gets it.
This is the same threat that Trump supporters have been throwing out there for years, and nothing ever happens. Trump supporters, just like their president, appear to be all talk and no action. The threats aren’t going to work. The nation is ready to call Graham’s bluff and get rid of Trump.
Anyone familiar with the Christian religion should be aware that world domination is one of its ultimate goals. Any Christian who argues otherwise is either violating the Ninth Commandment (lying) or they never opened their mythological holy book. Jesus did command his disciples to “go make disciples of all the nations,” and if they reject Jesus, he will return and send them to everlasting Hell. If they are already dead, he’ll resurrect them and send them to Hell. World domination is a Christian thing the clergy hardly ever preaches.
America’s bastardized Christians, the vaunted “religious right, conservative Christians, and evangelical dominionists” have dreamt of the day they hold dominion over all aspects of Americans’ lives. They are the “Christian Reconstructionist” (Dominionist) movement and they have made slow but steady progress since George W. Bush’s administration.
They are a relentless bunch who have worked tirelessly to undermine anything they believe is contrary to their distorted “unbiblical” worldview; such as spending thirty-plus years attempting to abolish abortion rights. They are a patient group that has caused a great deal of damage by incrementally undermining equal and civil rights in America with Republican assistance. They have been successful despite they have always been in the minority.
Now, although their numbers are dwindling, they see a veritable evangelical “god-king” in Donald Trump and they are terrified at the growing calls for his removal from the place he has no right visiting, much less occupying. No doubt even superstitious evangelicals have seen the reporting that a Trump impeachment is gaining support and nothing to dismiss out of hand.
Add to the evangelicals’ concern that their “messiah” in the Oval Office faces the prospect of being impeached, now they are worried he will be forced to resign to save the GOP from further humiliation. The thought of losing their god-king, and the free rein he provides the religious right to advance the Dominionists’ cause is not just disconcerting, it is a reason to send “an ominous warning;” impeach Trump and prepare for a violent civil war led by conservative Christians.
With all the “impeachment” talk, there is renewed interest in a warning a month or so ago from scandal-ridden televangelist Jim Bakker. Bakker echoed the sentiment of many in the alt-right movement, and the white evangelical right, that America desperately needs a second civil war to get America on the “religious right” track.
According to Bakker, conservative Christians are concerned they will be permanently “shut up” without their “god-king,” and will “come out of the shadows” to start a civil war if Trump is impeached, or “forced” to resign. Last year Bakker warned his evangelical followers that the government would soon start “mowing down Christians for praying.” Evangelical clergy have been prepping their adherents for a final confrontation for ages, and people like Bakker see Trump’s removal as the catalyst for a violent confrontation.
The bible-clutching televangelist was speaking on his moneymaking “The Jim Bakker Show” when the topic of a Trump impeachment in the daily news came up for discussion. Bakker didn’t do much “discussing,” he just boldly declared:
“I predict if it [impeachment] happens there will be a Civil War in the US. The Christians will finally come out of the shadows, because we’re going to be shut up permanently if we’re not careful. God says that faith without works is death, we have to do things.”
Bakker’s prediction was reiterated by one of Trump’s advisors, Roger Stone, who just last week warned that if Congress dares impeach the corrupt con man, there will be a violent, armed response from Trump’s devoted base. Stone said:
“You will have a spasm of violence in this country, an insurrection like you’ve never seen. The people will not stand for impeachment. A politician that votes for it will endanger their own life. I’m not advocating violence, but I’m predicting it.”
According to MediaMatters, another one of Trump’s advisors, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones said “he was told by Donald Trump that he ‘really liked’ [Roger] Stone’s comment.” Jones claims to have repeated communications with Trump on “certain topics” and boasts regularly about his influence over the corrupt narcissist. No doubt Jones is being truthful because some of the things Trump repeats could only have come from a lunatic conspiracy theorist like Jones.
There is no question that the white evangelical right are staunch supporters of the corrupt racist Trump. He garnered 81 percent of the evangelical white vote; more than any other Republican presidential candidate since poll watchers have been keeping track. It is frightening, but a fair percentage of that 81 percent will react violently if their god-king is removed, no matter the process or circumstances. Those religious maniacs, and they are maniacs, believe that biblical god sent Trump to be his mouthpiece and that he was sent as a 21st Century “messiah.”
This evangelical promise of a civil war joins a growing series of second civil war predictions by “far-right media figures” who want nothing less than a bloodbath. It is not entirely clear who the conservative Christians are going to wage war on, or if they believe their god will intervene Old Testament style and snuff out everyone but the faithful. That is, of course, what the Christian bible says, but even if someone believes the mythos they cannot possibly believe that biblical god will support another American civil war if Trump is removed.
Admittedly, it is comical to think that any sane human being ever takes “predictions” and “warnings” from the likes of a televangelist seriously, but the raging animus among the religious right for anyone failing to conform to their worldview is at a fevered pitch. Add to that long-simmering rage, the thought that a legislative body might have the audacity to remove the white evangelicals’ “voice of god,” and the idea of armed violence from the religious right is as real as it is distressing.
Christians are, as alleged “followers of Christ,” supposed to seek peace and love their fellow man, but the white evangelicals are not Christians by any stretch of the imagination. Those bastardized Christians are armed, fanatical and have been indoctrinated to believe they are in an existential fight for survival. Now that they see an opportunity to seize control of the nation with their “god-king” in the White House, it is likely they will go “Old Testament” biblical on the country if their messiah is impeached.
Trump’s ‘Civil War’ Quote Tweet Is Actually Grounds for Impeachment, Says Harvard Law Professor
resident Donald Trump’s recent tweet quoting a longtime evangelical pastor who warned of a “Civil War” if Democrats seriously pursue removing him from office could actually be grounds for impeachment, one Harvard Law professor said.
“If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal,” Trump tweeted on Sunday night.
The tweet was a quote from Robert Jeffress, a Southern Baptist pastor who gave the comment during an appearance on Fox & Friends Weekend. Trump added his own parenthetical aside to Jeffress’ quote, in which the president asserted that Congress won’t be successful in their impeachment efforts.
The president’s tweet was immediately met with backlash, and Harvard Law professor John Coates argued that the social media post itself is an “independent basis” for lawmakers to remove him from the White House.
“This tweet is itself an independent basis for impeachment – a sitting president threatening civil war if Congress exercises its constitutionally authorized power,” Coates wrote on Twitter on Monday.
The House of Representatives officially launched an impeachment inquiry last week amid reports that Trump tried to pressure Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.
The communication between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was first revealed in a whistleblower complaint to the inspector general of the intelligence community. The complaint detailed concerns that Trump was “using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.”
This tweet is itself an independent basis for impeachment – a sitting president threatening civil war if Congress exercises its constitutionally authorized power. https://t.co/JL9XzClGXf— John Coatesâš½ï¸ (@jciv) September 30, 2019
The whistleblower also implicated Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr in the Ukraine debacle. Giuliani was described as a “central figure” in the situation.
Since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the inquiry, it’s been reported by several news outlets that at least 218 lawmakers in the House (the exact number of votes needed to impeach Trump in the chamber) support moving forward with impeachment. At least 217 Democrats and independent Representative Justin Amash have favored the inquiry.
Democrats say they intend to move quickly on impeachment, but so far have only opened an inquiry into the matter. The House will decide after the investigation whether to actually impeach the president. If the chamber votes for impeachment, the Republican-controlled Senate would then decide whether to remove Trump from office or exonerate him.
Historian Kevin Kruse slammed Trump for suggesting in his “Civil War” tweet that only Democrats are responsible for impeachment. Kruse, a Princeton University professor, noted that in order to successfully remove the president there needs to be a significant amount of Republicans backing impeachment.
“Trump can only be removed through impeachment if two-thirds of the Senate votes to remove him. To do that, 20 Republicans would need to join the 45 Democrats and 2 Independents,” Kruse wrote. “Removal would be bipartisan. Framing it as some kind of civil war isn’t just dangerous. It’s dumb.”
Armed Militias Are Taking Trump’s Civil War Tweets Seriously
Over the weekend, the president sent a tweet that seemed to warn of civil war if he were to be impeached and removed from office:
….If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War like fracture in this Nation from which our Country will never heal.” Pastor Robert Jeffress, @FoxNews
Although the president was quoting Pastor Robert Jeffress’s comments on Fox News, he was adopting them as his own.
It might seem tempting to dismiss this language as of a piece with President Trump’s typical Twitter rhetoric. But it is worth paying particular attention to this tweet—because among the people who read it were militia groups enthusiastic about exactly what Trump portended. And while no violence has yet resulted from the president’s tweet, it would be foolish to underestimate the power of Trump’s comments to call rogue militias to action, particularly if there is an impeachment and he continues to use this rhetoric to fan the flames. In the days after his civil war tweet, he went on to use similarly incendiary language, referring to impeachment proceedings as a “COUP.”
Consider the Oath Keepers group, a far-right armed militia. Calling on its 24,000 Twitter followers to read the president’s whole tweet thread, the Oath Keepers account posted:
Here’s the money quote from that thread. This is the truth. This is where we are. We ARE on the verge of a HOT civil war. Like in 1859. That’s where we are. And the Right has ZERO trust or respect for anything the left is doing. We see THEM as illegitimate too.@StewartRhodesOKhttps://t.co/DjB8TY0vCo
Before this tweet, the Oath Keepers account tweeted that, under the U.S. Constitution, “the militia (that’s us) can be called forth ‘to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.’ … “All he has to do is call us up. We WILL answer the call.” Other Oath Keeper tweets also hint at violence: One states that “their favorite rifle is the AR 15.”
According to the Oath Keepers’s webpage, the organization is “a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to ‘defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic,’” while declaring that they “will not obey unconstitutional orders.” The Anti-Defamation League, by contrast, describes the group as “an anti-government right-wing fringe organization” whose members have appeared “as self-appointed armed guards” at various places around the country, in defiance of what they deem to be unconstitutional government action. Last month, the group sought “security volunteers” from their membership and “other capable patriots” to escort Trump supporters attending a New Mexico rally “to protect them from potential leftist violence.” And last year, the Oath Keepers announced its “Spartan Training Group program,” with the goal of “form[ing] training groups in as many states as possible” to create “a pool of trained, organized volunteers who will be able to serve as the local militia under the command of a patriotic governor loyal to the Constitution, or if called upon by President Trump to serve the nation” (emphasis in original).
The Oath Keepers are far from the only militia group that vocally supports deploying potential force in aid of the president. In November 2018, after Trump pledged to send up to 15,000 U.S. troops to the border to deal with the approaching caravan of Central American migrants, the militia group known as “The Minuteman Project” published an “URGENT CALL FOR TEXAS BORDER OBSERVATION DUTY” to cover the 2,000-mile border from San Diego to Brownsville, Texas. According to U.S. Army documents obtained by Newsweek at the time, the military expressed its concern internally about the presence of unauthorized militias along the border, warning that protests occurring at points of entry historically had been peaceful, “unless extreme right or left groups attend.” The Minuteman Project’s co-founder, Jim Gilchrist, cautioned potential volunteers that their adversaries were “US-based PROPAGANDA organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union, the Southern Poverty Law Center, People without Borders” and many more groups like them. He further warned members to “use extreme caution when confronted by mainstream media” because “they are not your friends.”
Earlier this year, after Trump’s reelection campaign repeatedly ran ads quoting Trump’s references to an “invasion” on the southern border, another group—the United Constitutional Patriots—set up camp at the New Mexico/Mexico border. Without any legal authorization, this group assumed the duty of U.S. Customs and Border Protection to stop and detain migrants, all while heavily armed and dressed in military fatigues. In March and April 2019, a spokesperson for the group, Jim Benvie, regularly posted livestream videos on Facebook showing militia members chasing and capturing migrants while armed with assault rifles, and detaining them until they could be turned over to U.S. officials. In other posts, the United Constitutional Patriots described themselves as combatants in a “war” raging along the border due to migrants’ “invasion” of the country and actively sought to recruit people with military or law enforcement experience to join them. One such recruit, upon observing migrants while on “patrol” at the border, reportedly grabbed his AR-15 and asked his fellow militia member, “Why are we just apprehending them and not lining them up and shooting them?” In April, after the group’s “national commander” was arrested on unrelated charges and the Union Pacific Railroad ordered the group off of its property, significant media attention exposed the militia’s activities and it reconstituted itself as the Guardian Patriots, decamped to private land with the owners’ consent, and closed its public Facebook account.
Both of these armed militias took action at least in part in response to Trump’s rhetoric about the need to secure the southern border. Now that the president has invoked the idea of civil war, there is a risk that armed groups will take heed of this language too, whenever the president suggests that it is time.
Federal criminal law prohibits “rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof,” including incitement or assistance to such rebellion or insurrection. It also prohibits conspiring to overthrow the U.S. government, levy war against it or oppose its authority by force. Based on the organization’s declared mission, there’s little doubt that the Oath Keepers would view any impeachment action by congress as “unconstitutional” and therefore not to be obeyed. Although the group’s current tweets come close to calling for rebellion or insurrection should that happen, there’s been no indication that the U.S. Department of Justice is investigating. Are the militias drawing up plans for possible civil war, for example? Are they training? Are they stockpiling weapons? These are things that law enforcement should be investigating, whether under federal law or state law.
Although it is widely believed that the Second Amendment protects the right to form private militias, it does no such thing. The Supreme Court made this clear in its 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, explicitly reaffirming its own 1886 holding that “the Second Amendment … does not prevent the prohibition of private paramilitary organizations.” Indeed, they are prohibited by state constitutional provisions or statutes in all 50 states.
The constitutions of 48 states include provisions that require the military to be at all times subordinate to the civil authority. That means that private, unregulated and unauthorized militias—operating wholly outside of the civilian governmental authority and public accountability—are prohibited by state law. There is good reason for this. As prominent historian and scholar A.E. Dick Howard wrote in 1974 in “Commentaries on the Constitution of Virginia,” the Virginia constitution’s ban on private militias “ensures the right of all citizens … to live free from the fear of an alien soldiery commanded by men who are not responsible to law and the political process.”
Notably, Virginia was the first state to adopt its own constitution, known then as a Declaration of Rights, in June 1776. According to the operative language in Virginia’s constitution, illustrative of the language used in 47 other state constitutions, “[I]n all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.” Last year, in a successful lawsuit against the private militias that usurped legitimate law enforcement authority during the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, a state judge ruled that, based on this “strict subordination” clause in Virginia’s constitution, “[t]here appears to be no place or authority for private armies or militia apart from the civil authorities and not subject to and regulated by the federal, state, or local authorities.” The case resulted in court orders prohibiting the defendant militias from returning to Charlottesville as part of coordinated, armed groups during rallies, protests, demonstrations and marches.
Other state law criminal provisions also prohibit various types of militia activity. Twenty-eight states prohibit groups of people from associating together as a military unit or parading or drilling together in public with firearms. (It was one of these statutes that the U.S. Supreme Court upheld in 1886 against a Second Amendment challenge in Presser v. Illinois.) Similarly, 25 states prohibit assembling together to teach, demonstrate, train or practice with firearms, explosives or “techniques” capable of causing injury or death, knowing and intending to further a civil disorder. And another state criminal statute, found in some variation in 12 states (and in the U.S. Code), prohibits the false assumption of the duties of a law enforcement or peace officer or the unauthorized wearing of military uniforms or close imitations thereof. The United Constitutional Patriots’s spokesperson, Jim Benvie, is currently charged in federal court with violations of the federal statute based on his false assumption of the duties of the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol. And this summer, the Virginia attorney general issued an opinion that heavily armed militias, dressed in fatigues and other military accessories, acting in a coordinated fashion and patrolling a line of citizens waiting to engage with their elected legislators before a special session on gun safety legislation, violate Virginia’s prohibition on the false assumption of law enforcement functions.
The Oath Keepers and other militia organizations are in violation of some of these laws right now. Their existence as private paramilitary units in states with “strict subordination” clauses is prohibited, as it is in states with statutes that prohibit associating together as a military unit or company. Training, instructing or practicing in paramilitary techniques for use in a “civil war” or other uprising is also currently banned in many states. And to the extent the armed militias are showing up in public places asserting authority they don’t have, they are violating state and federal laws criminalizing the false assumption of law enforcement duties.
Some observers may say that the tweets of both the president and the Oath Keepers are simply hyperbole. But the militia movement has shown that it will take action based on the president’s statements. His “civil war” comments were phrased conditionally—dependent on “the Democrats” attempting to remove him from office. State officials and law enforcement, however, do not have to wait for that condition to be fulfilled—or for the president to post new tweets that militias may interpret as calling them to arms—to tackle the potential threat posed by militias. Governors may issue cease and desist orders based on their state constitutions, law enforcement may initiate investigations based on federal and state criminal statutes, and the public may report instances of current law-breaking by militia members. Authorities would not sit idly by while foreign forces prepare for potential violence against other Americans, and they should not sit idly by while rogue private armies do the same.
A MESSAGE TO THESE CHRISTOTALIBANS, THESE RACIST TREASONOUS TRAITORS TRUMPSTERS AND TRAITOR TRUMP
SO PUNK ASSED CHRISTOTALIBAN SCUMBAG SHITSTAINS LIKE PASTORS ROBERT JEFFRESS, FRANKLIN GRAHAM, RICK WILES, JIM BAKKER, AND MANY OTHERS, ALONG WITH THE TYRANT, TREASONOUS TRUMP AND HIS TRUMPANZEES THINK? WE ARE ALL GOING TO LAY DOWN AND ALLOW THEM TO BRING BLOOD TO OUR STREETS AND TO START A CIVIL WAR AND MURDER THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS IN DEFENSE OF THAT PERVERTED PEDOPHILE, DISGUSTING DEGENRATE RAPIST AND SEX ASSAULTER, PROVEN PATHOLOGICAL LIAR, BIGOT, RACIST, AND OVER ALL SCUMBAG DONALD J TRUMP HUH? AND NOT STAND UP TO THESE FASCIST CUNTS? I GOT NEWS FOR THEM.
LISTEN THE FUCK UP YOU SNOWFLAKE MENTAL MIDGET MORON TRUMPSTERS AND CHRISTOTALIBAN THREATENING BLOOD IN OUR STREETS AND A CIVIL WAR.
FUCKING BRING IT ON. THIS TIME? WE OF ANTIFA? WHO KICKED YOUR MENTAL MIDGET MORON, GENERATIONAL INBRED, WHITE SUPREMACIST PUNKS IN THE FIRST CIVIL WAR. WE KICKED YOUR NAZI FUCKING ASSES IN BOTH WWI AND WWII. AND GUESS WHAT YOU FUCKING SHITSTAINS ON THE UNDERWEAR OF HUMANITY?
YOU START YOUR CIVIL WAR? AND WE OF ANTIFA? ARE THIS TIME? NOT GOING TO SHOW ANY OF YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND NORMAL THINKING TROGLODYTES ANY MERCY LIKE WE DID IN THE FIRST CIVIL WAR, OR WWI OR WWII.
YOU WANT TO BRUTALLY MURDER OUR FAMILIES? OUR CHILDREN? OUR GRANDCHILDREN? OVER TRAITOR TRUMP? THEN BRING IT THE FUCK ON. CAUSE WE WILL NOT LAY DOWN AND ALLOW YOU PUNK FASCIST SHITSTAINS ON THE UNDERWEAR OF HUMANITY TO COLD BLOODEDLY MURDER US AND OUR LOVED ONES WITHOUT? KICKING YOUR MONKEY FUCKING ASSES AND PUTTING YOU MOTHERFUCKERS IN YOUR GRAVES.
SO BRING IT THE FUCK ON YOU CHRISTOFASCIST TALIBANS, BRING IT ON YOU PUNK ASSED BITCH SNOWFLAKES TRUMPANZEES.
CAUSE IT WILL TAKE US GREAT PLEASURE TO FINISH THE LOBOTOMIES YOU ALL GOT UNDER TRUMP BY? PUTTING A FUCKING BULLET IN YOUR USELESS HEADS.
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